@IHeartPie @XxX_MLG Noob_XxX I think I see why you two are prone to conflict with each other, and I thiiink it's because you both put a ton of value into getting the last word, to the point you just can't stand it if the other has it, and it evolves into some kind of weird meta-argument. The value of last words is kind of "real" but only if you're pandering to the plebs, and we're not plebs, and plebs shouldn't be your consideration unless you're running for POTUS. So even if Pie gets to explain his points last in this thread, or some bow-loving peasant gets the final word in Chaldo's suggestion-gone-meme, doesn't grant their position any merits. And vice-versa. In my personal opinion Own had some of the strongest posts in this thread, and they were just two succinct, tactical nukes, and then he dabbed out of the topic, his work done. MLG, I think you should just rest assured that you are in very high regard in the community and just leaving a topic when you've said your piece won't diminish that, even if Pie were to put your character into question (which I don't feel he's doing - I just feel your arguments have derailed). I'm not entirely sure it was what you insinuated, but leaving the community altogether because of a clash of debate styles with one dude seems a little overkill. Maybe you should both treat each other as practice for learning when to leave topics alone (apologies for condescension) I'll add this: consider whom you are trying to convince. Is it us? Is it MLG? Is it Pie? Yourself? You two obviously aren't going to convince each other since you fundamentally want two different things. As for us, I've already stated our intentions very clearly. So who are you really arguing for? (Rhetorical question btw don't @ me) I get your frustrations and I know I'm oversimplifying social interaction, but one can always strive to exorcise negative emotions, and nowhere is that so beneficial as online (one good way to do it is to make a game and bathe in the flames for a bit until you're an unfeeling, empty shell of a programmer).